HS logic modules: understanding the overall logic

[Warichet]

rightclick on the variable in "Kommunikationsobjekte" and check "Verweise". This shows all places where this variable is used.

It was used ..... on the same page, .... as an ouput.
Due to a bug in my logic module, it was nailed down . Pfiou, the logic is safe

check "Verweise" ! !!!
Merci

[MatthiasS]

I cannot imagine that it is the name. But who knows.

I often made mistakes, used one variable, copy&pasted the logic and had unexpected behaviour.

To be sure, rightclick on the variable in "Kommunikationsobjekte" and check "Verweise". This shows all places where this variable is used.

[Warichet]

Result:
variable 1 (input) = 1
second variable (output) = 1

Impossible to make this thing work
Now that I've the HSMonitor up & running, I checked and tested this variable. No way, it is nailed down to 0.
Created a new variable, restart, worked first time

It beats me.
Are there reserved words ? Could it be the variable's name ? I called it NotFirstPass, anything wrong with that ?

[Warichet]

If you mark (in Hsmonitor) only those groups that you are interested in, only those will be recorded.
Same for ETS

Great tip
Thank you very much Matthias.

[MatthiasS]

If you mark (in Hsmonitor) only those groups that you are interested in, only those will be recorded.

Same for ETS:
In group monitor there is a small icon with a hammer on it. It will open a dialog, and third tab ist "filter".

[Warichet]

What you need to do is to allow access. In the "Experte" use the "Absender 1" lien and check the checkbox before it.

Great
It works fine, and with your explanation, I'm (almost) able to understand the doc now

For internal objects you need top assign a virtual group address in the range 100/x to 199/x like 100/1

OK, I'll try it.

What I'm still missing in ETS & HS Monitor is a kind of filtering mechanism, à la "Network Monitor". Something where you could filter out all traffic related to a GA or PA and concentrate on 1 or 2 addresses in order to focus the troubleshooting to the relevant problem. With Capture & Replay
I haven't seen this feature in ETS, but maybe such a thing exists ?

How do you guys troubleshoot a problem in a very big installation ? with hundreds of devices and heavy traffic ?

Merci Gaston

[Gaston]

Raymond,

What you need to do is to allow access. In the "Experte" use the "Absender 1" lien and check the checkbox before it. Assuming yiour network to be 10.0.1.0/255.255.255.0 and you want to allow everybody in that net: IP Address: 10.0.1.0 Netzmaske:255.255.255.0 Schlüsselyou may set a password here to be used in the HS Monitor too then)

If you want to allow a single PC, set its address, and use 255.255.255.255 as mask

Then you should check "XML-Struktur der K-Objekte auf Gerät laden". You dio now have the option to allow access to all object read/write via the two checkboxes above this one, or to single objects via checkbox in the Object(KO) parameters. For internal objects you need top assign a virtual group address in the range 100/x to 199/x like 100/1

After this is done you need to upload the full project including images etc for the XML structure to be uploaded.

Cheers,
Gaston

[Warichet]

Do not select "scan at start" for this eib address.

Well, "scan at start" was NOT set for this GA
HS Experte / Kommunikationobjekte / EIB / GA 0/0/1 / Beim Starten abfragen / flag "Ja" not set.
I tried with the flag "set", same result.
I would like to know if this is a general HS behaviour (it happens for everyone), or is it specific to my installation (just me).

Can you help me getting the HS Monitor to run ? It might help me debugging my problems.
The "settings" menu is greyed-out now, and the system hangs. It was working before, so I guess I made something wrong in the settings.

Thank you for your patience

[MatthiasS]

What would be the right way of doing, to avoid this pitfall ?
Thank you for the lesson !

Do not select "scan at start" for this eib address.

[Warichet]

You mean, the output ist NOT an internal variable?

mmmmm, no

That would explain verything.....
use a fresh internal variable for output and see.....

and see ....
I installed .Net 2.0 and the HS monitor.
I configured the monitor with the HS's IP addr and port
I enabled the KO gwy in the experte
but I can't see anything in the monitor.
Should I fill-in the "key" field in the monitor settings ? I RTFM but haven't seen it.

It is the last part of the init sequence to read eib group adresses from the bus.

OK.
What would be the right way of doing, to avoid this pitfall ?
Thank you for the lesson !

[MatthiasS]

You mean, the output ist NOT an internal variable?

That would explain verything.....

use a fresh internal variable for output and see.....

It is the last part of the init sequence to read eib group adresses from the bus.

[Warichet]

I made one internal variable, same as yours.

Always expect the worst from a newbee
I must make a terrible mistake, obvious for anyone with a bit experience, but I can't see it.

Have you checked, whether your varaibles are NOT used in other logic connections?

Yes.
I created it on purpose, and tested in a new logic sheet

What about your output variable?

It's a GA switching on a lamp.
Imho the AND and the GA are not to be suspected, as they work fine when I select other variables at the input.
It beats me

Any other idea ? things to check ? pre-requisites

[MatthiasS]

I made one internal variable, same as yours. Init = 1

Connected it to both inputs of one AND.

Second internal variable (1bit) at output 1.

Restart

Result:
variable 1 (input) = 1
second variable (output) = 1


Have you checked, whether your varaibles are NOT used in other logic connections?

What about your output variable?

[Warichet]

Hi Matthias,
Sorry to be a pain, but I can't make it work.
When I put 2 "standard" variables to the AND, it works fine.
When one of the inputs is a HS internal var, that I initialized to 1, it doesn't work.
So, I guess I make a mistake in the definition of the variable
Do you see something wrong ?

[MatthiasS]

In my case: Well, yes!

It works as everyone would expect. Please check your data!