HomeServer passwords

[bramlangen]

I'm unable to do that

What exactly is it that you are unable to do?
You wrote earlier that the HS starts up, you get the three double beeps. You also write there is no contact to KNX. Does this mean that in the HS debug page you have plenty of entries under 'Scan-Fehler', and under 'EIB' the table shows nothing sent or received, or maybe high numbers under telegrams lost? If that is the case, it may help an Experte expert if you post a screenshot of the EIB section of the debug page to verify your HS indeed does not 'talk' to the bus.

Or do you think that the HS is working, and you cannot get HS-Monitor to work? The software you can download from the download pages of this forum. The settings need to match what you have set in Experte under Network--> Comminication object gateway. The topmost checkbox, and the bottom three checkboxes must be checked. Define a local IP port (mine is 50003), enter 0.0.0.0 for IP address and Net mask, enter a password, and check the checkbox for that line. On the HS-Monitor settings page enter the same port number and the same password (key).

[Warichet]

> Can you let the HS execute an action by forcing a KO using HS-Monitor? If that would not work, then nothing in the visu will result in an action either.
Sorry to be a pain, but I'm unable to do that.
Maybe I miss a pre-requisite ? or a password defined somewhere else ?

Would you be so kind to provide me with a short example ?
I guess it has to be defined in 2 places

Thank you for your patience.

[bramlangen]

but no contact to KNX

Is the HomeServer working at all? When you say you do not have contact with KNX, is that the current situation? Can you let the HS execute an action by forcing a KO using HS-Monitor? If that would not work, then nothing in the visu will result in an action either.

I am not aware of any documents specifically on the two topics you mention. For your testing, I suggest you use the credentials of a user with full access rights. In your screenshot you show only 4 levels being checked. In Experte, check for your visu elements if you have the proper user group(s) checked, so that there is at least a match between the visu element (user group) and the access rights of a user...

[Warichet]

If you have an Ajax visu in your project, why would you not want to use it?

Well, it *is* an Ajax Visu, so far I used it without much problems, thanks to the kind help of NilsS

What exactly is it that is not working for you?

As mentioned above, the situation evolved a bit (I thought it was solved)
So, when booting fresh, I see the whole boot process, up to the 3 double beeps, everything looks fine, but no contact to KNX.
In a desperate move, I set all password to be the same. No luck

I still persist my problem has to do with password, access rights, permissions or so but I've no clue yet

Is there any doc available around the topic "password" "access rights" ?

[Warichet]

Too happy, too early :-|


> Under both tabs 'Gira 1024 ...' you need to set the starting point for the visu,
Yes, OK, I forgot

> so the page where you want the user to start.
OK

Thanks to both

The errors during transfer are gone :-)

There is still an issue with the Visu.
To make sure, I reboot the Visu and the HS, I wait for the first beep, and some later, the 3 double beeps.

At that time, everything looks fine:
the icons are there, I can navigate the tree, up & down, but nothing happens, it is as if there is a missing connection, or a password mismatch.

I'll check if the log can teach me more

[bramlangen]

Under both tabs 'Gira 1024 ...' you need to set the starting point for the visu, so the page where you want the user to start. See attachment.

[vento66]

Each User needs a Startpage

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[Warichet]

I'm still hammering on the same nail :-)
I made a mistake in the setup, and cannot get rid of it
Any idea on what's is going on ?

[bramlangen]

Does this make any sens ?

No, it does not make sense to me. If you have an Ajax visu in your project, why would you not want to use it?

What exactly is it that is not working for you? I use the pocket-visu (hspv), which uses the same set-up as 'hsav'. Same folder structure, same method to access the visu webpage.

Let us know what it is exactly that you are trying to accomplish.

[Warichet]

Hallo,

I see no end with my misery.
After much trial & error (mainly error), I'm still nowhere.I'm up to the point where I'm considering dropping the AJAX part of the Visu and reverting back to the the standard version.

Does this make any sens ?
Somebody has some experience with such a setup ?

[bramlangen]

> Once the project has been transferred, a next transfer will require the new password
I think I got it, I have to exercise a bit, but I'm scared to land up in a non-reversable situation

As long as you know the current user credentials (for a user with full access rights, say: the 'admin'), and you know the new password for that user, then it is a standard process to transfer the project with the current (old) password, and next time use the new password.

What I'm missing [...] is a table with a summary of passwords

If you only have a few users (say: 3), then the information in the user panel of Experte should suffice. If you have lots of users then a table comes in handy. You will have to create that table yourself. With all the possible user rights (I think the default is 16 levels) that you can turn on or off you need a fairly extensive table - MS-Excel would do. But where you use it, and what you use the different users / user rights for, you will need to define yourself.
The easy part of your question to answer is where the user credentials are created, and user rights are set: in the 'User' panel of Experte.

[Warichet]

Hello Bram,

Sorry for being late.

> I don't know what you mean by 'is this a new system list'.
My mistake

> Right, you need that password when you upload the project to the HomeServer.
OK, that was an easy one ;-)

> The default folder structure (when Experte is installed) is ...\hsupload\hspv-gira\<startfiles>.htm.
OK

> When transferring a project to the HS it uses the upload folder in the project folder you specified (see attachment).
OK

> Once the project has been transferred, a next transfer will require the new password
I think I got it, I have to exercise a bit, but I'm scared to land up in a non-reversable situation

What I'm missing, but with a little help from my friends :-) well known tune, is a table with a summary of passwords, like attached, with the source (where created) and where used ( destination)

Thank you for your time & patience

[bramlangen]

Hello Raymond!

I'll try to answer your questions one by one.
I don't know what you mean by 'is this a new system list'. (Might be an issue with formatting the forum page on your browser - I used a bulleted list to mention the two separate uses of the user credentials I am aware of.) The user credentials are entered in the screen as shown in picture #2 in the earlier post - it is not really a list.

So far, I understand that there is a PW needed when transferring a project from Experte to the HS

Right, you need that password when you upload the project to the HomeServer. When you have a back-up (with passwords) of your project in a safe place you do NOT need to worry about a transfer to the HS when your PC is inoperable. Just install the Experte software on another PC, open the back-up of the project on that PC and you are where you were at the time of the back-up.

The Ajax visu is a freely configurable visualisation. No 'special stuff' as far as I am concerned. The default folder structure (when Experte is installed) is ...\hsupload\hspv-gira\<startfiles>.htm. Whatever the naming of the folder structure is, is what you have to enter as URL, in this case for instance ..../opt/hspv-gira\start.htm. If you find the 'hspv-gira' too long or too cumbersome, you can rename it to anything you want. If you rename the folder 'hspv-gira' to 'hspv', then you also need to use that shorter name in the URL.

When transferring a project to the HS it uses the upload folder in the project folder you specified (see attachment). Whatever you have in that directory is what should transfer to the HS.

You can have as many users as you like, but need at least one. Each user can have permissions as desired. An admin / system management is a user like any other user, only the rights would be extensive. Normally, visu users have more limited rights - but not necessarily. When you want a change of passwords, update the 'User' section (as in figure #2 of the earlier post) with the new password. Transfer the project to the HS using the current (=old, previous) password. Once the project has been transferred, a next transfer will require the new password (if you changed it for the user you use to upload).

Hope this all makes sense :-)

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Bram

[Warichet]

If I get you right
The PW used for the HS upload is the only system management PW
The user PW belong to the user
There is no PW change when doing the Exchage upload procedure

[Warichet]

> Picture #1 is only of interest when you use the QuadClient.
OK, not my case.

> The user and associated password, as entered in the screen shown in picture #2,
OK, that's the standard User Management page
are needed:[LIST=1][*]When you transfer a project from Experte to the HS;
>[LIST=1]
Is this a new System Liste ?
So far, I understand that there is a PW needed when transfering a projekt from Experte to the PS.
I guess this PC should not be misplaced , otherwise a transfer via RS232 is required.
I guess a PW for Projekt can only be written, no read back from HS

>[*]If you have a visu other than the QC, you will need the username and associated password to access the visu.
I've a Ajax Visu, is that any special stuff ?

>Either you enter the information permanently in the '.htm' you use to call the visu,
or you enter it in the pop-up screen if you do not have the information saved in the .htm file.
OK

> The .htm file is stored in the hsupload subfolder you use for the the visu, for instance ...\hsupload\hspv-gira\start.htm.
I noticed a difference in the file structure

On the Experte PC, I see \hsupload\hspv-gira\start.htm.
On some places I see \hsupload\hspv\start.htm.
Is that OK ?

Thanks for your kind help