HomeServer, writing logic modules

[Warichet]

Hi,

Where can I learn more about writing logic modules ?

I searched here and in the other forum, just found somebody else with the same question, but no clue.

I'm using HS2-Doku-Logiksprache.pdf which is fine, but I found it to be more of a description than a learning tool.

Thank you for your pointers.

[MatthiasS]

http://www.python.org/

- Study of existing logic modules

- HS2-Doku-Logiksprache.pdf

Thats all - learning by doing.

Once you have "checked" the system behind, it is quite easy - within the limitations.

[Warichet]

Hi Matthias,

http://www.python.org/

I already checked it before posting, and found it of no help in the particular instance of the HS logic modules

- Study of existing logic modules

Yes, that's what I'm doing right now, but it will take ages before getting something usefull, hence the request for eventually unpublished / seldom used documents.

- HS2-Doku-Logiksprache.pdf

Yes sure, as I said, it's more a description than a tutorial

Once you have "checked" the system behind, it is quite easy - within the limitations.

I trust you. For an expert, everything is easy.

What about the debugging tools ? anything like "step", "step into", trace tools. How can I see intermediate values ? So far, I can just see that it doesn't work, and the Debug List doesn't help very much.

imho, the logic modules didn't land by accident in the HS. Someone has designed it and implemented it. So somehow, somewhere, the information does exist. If it is not made public, well, it is a decision.

Early days enthusiasm is going away.

[MatthiasS]

What about the debugging tools ? anything like "step", "step into", trace tools. How can I see intermediate values ? So far, I can just see that it doesn't work, and the Debug List doesn't help very much.

imho, the logic modules didn't land by accident in the HS. Someone has designed it and implemented it. So somehow, somewhere, the information does exist. If it is not made public, well, it is a decision.

Early days enthusiasm is going away.

There are no debugging tools until now.

The logic system was designed by dacom, and in the beginning (for many years) they did not think about opening it to the users.

So, believe it or not - there is absolutely no additinal information.

And in the end - it is not necessary. You have all the information to write your own modules. You already noticed the the large number of developers? They all do it by hand - just with the knowledge of Python and with the knowledge of HS's logic module notation.

Tell me what you need, I'll write it :-)

[Gaston]

What about the debugging tools ? anything like "step", "step into", trace tools. How can I see intermediate values ? So far, I can just see that it doesn't work, and the Debug List doesn't help very much.

There is no debugging tool available. I was in progress to implement one in my syntax checker but there are reasons why I have abandoned that.

imho, the logic modules didn't land by accident in the HS. Someone has designed it and implemented it. So somehow, somewhere, the information does exist. If it is not made public, well, it is a decision.

No, the documentation is available: The pdf you have. There is no need for any more documentation. All you need to know is how to write an python expression.

Basically each code line is something like

[ IF <condition> THEN ] [ <var|output>=value ; ] [ Time=<time> ; ] [ exit() ; ]

where evey part between bracket can be omitted.

Early days enthusiasm is going away.

You are a bit negative here

[Warichet]

There are no debugging tools until now.

there is absolutely no additinal information.

You already noticed the the large number of developers?

Sure enough.
I also noticed that they are all native german speaking, hence, no language barrier. (heck, it makes the learning a bit easyer)

Tell me what you need, I'll write it :-)

Thank you very much Matthias, your offer is highly appreciated, but I can't accept it.
I'm supposed to be a computer specialist, (although not a developper, but I've written many scripts), so, either I make this thing work or the HS will fly.

[Warichet]

Hi Gaston,

There is no need for any more documentation.

Oh well, some more didactic examples wouldn't hurt.

Basically each code line is something like

[ IF <condition> THEN ] [ <var|output>=value ; ] [ Time=<time> ; ] [ exit() ; ]

OK, I already realized this.
I ran into troubles while tackling the details of the formula. But, as has been said, it's a question of experience.

You are a bit negative here

Oh well, yes.
After checking the same line for 2 days, yes.
imho, the most annoying part is that there is no aid in the troubleshooting. You change a parameter of the formula line, reboot, try again, just to see that it doesn't work.
Same player shoot again

Thank you for your comments.

[kjohannessen]

HS2-Doku-Logiksprache.pdf

Hi, where can I get a copy of HS2-Doku-Logiksprache.pdf can someone upload please.

Thanks

[eibling]

Hi, where can I get a copy of HS2-Doku-Logiksprache.pdf can someone upload please.

Thanks

Do you mean this one?

[kjohannessen]

HS2-Doku-Logiksprache.pdf

Thank you!

[kris]

Several non-native german speakers in Belgium that write their own logic...

We use an online python interpreter to test our 'formules'. We use logic quite a lot for creating interfaces with ip/rs232 devices and then need to convert/split incoming strings/streams.

Try Python: Interactive Python Tutorial in the Browser

Using the online interpreter no need to restart hs.

Once you get the hang of it, it will be quite easy and very productive. So don't give up to fast.

Although I have to admit that some additional info/documented examples would be nice. I also have to admit that we haven't been able to decypher the correct usage of the timer-functions.

If you have any specific questions feel free to post them, I'm sure there is sufficient skill online the get you started

Good luck.
kris
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