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    Visualization tools/servers (long post!)

    Hi all, first of all, please accept my apologies for not writing in German.
    In fact, not knowing German is one of the reasons for posting, as even with online translators, some of the finer details escape me.

    I set up my own KNX installation some 5-10 years ago. It currently has about 50 addresses on ETS.
    A few years ago, visualization products were very expensive and more oriented to the professional market (Gira homeserver used to cost thousands of €€). So I never even considered that.
    But now there seem to be many options available, and they seem less proprietary, so one doesn't risk being left behind if the company discontinues a product, or goes out of business(?).

    Here's what I'm looking to add to my KNX network:
    1-Logging (weather station values, internal temp. readings, electrical consumption, etc). Is a server necessary for this?

    2-Servers - can a server be setup easily with standard PC hardware, perhaps even on a Virtual Machine, or is a pre-built vendor solution more hassle-free? Are there pre-made ("turn-key") server solutions for reasonable prices (unlike the Gira Server)?
    2.1-Is there Windows KNX server software for DIYers?

    3-Logic - I currently have no logic device on my network. I assume a server would be able to do this better than a dedicated knx logic device - am I correct?

    4-Visualization with PC[Win]+Android integration - I've recently come by 1Home, which looks like a good product. But there's also the Gira X1 (it allows using 3rd party apps?), Jung Visu (html5 interface seems like a good thing to me), and other products from vendors I'm not familiar with: MDT, Loxone, Control4, knXpresso, etc.
    What are your thoughts on these products. Is there a current general consensus on this forum as to what is the best option? (€€ - at most up to the X1 cost)

    4-Integration with Alexa/Google home. It seems to be common with these visualization tools - does any of them not have it?

    thanks for reading


    #2
    EDOMI can be a solution for you.
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      #3
      Zitat von gbglace Beitrag anzeigen
      EDOMI can be a solution for you.
      That seems to be in German only. And there are forum posts requesting it to be translated to English about 4 years ago.

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        #4
        I'd look into Home-Assistant or OpenHAB.
        They should even running Windows - their natural habitat is Linux though. Besides OS everything from Raspberry Pi, NAS, Gaming PC to dedicated Server can run them.
        Zuletzt geändert von meti; 23.01.2021, 13:30.

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          #5
          There is no „best solution“, visualation und logic are not neccessary the same, though many systems do both. The perfect solution depends on your interests and your computer knowledge and the time, you want to invest. One of the cheapest and and easiest solitions is the phone app easy KNX, (no logic), other turnkey solutions create the visu from the knx project, but cost quite a but more.
          regards Florian

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            #6
            Node Red can be a option.....

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              #7
              The recommendations given here led me to read related topics on this forum, and I think the choice will come down to OpenHab vs IP-Symcon.
              The main advantage I see with OpenHab is that being communitry driven, it seems more future-proof and more open to integration of different devices and other software tools.
              Catering to a wider audience on the other hand means that it's probably not as user-friendly, and it's not as KNX-centric as Symcon.
              Being free is nice, but not if it entails lots of time wasted going through endless documentation.

              About Symcon vs OpenHab
              - is Symcon easier to setup for KNX systems than OpenHab?
              - would it make sense to start with Symcon, and if at a (much) later time it seems insufficient, integrate it with OpenHab - Symcon doing the KNX server part only?

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                #8
                IP-Symcon has a great community building Addons for serveral Devices. Dry the Demo and take a look into the ModuleStore or in the community at https://www.symcon.de/forum/forums/88-PHP-Module

                I can not see any advantage using both systems symultaniously.

                I can not speake for OpenHab, but in IP-Symcon there is an Import for ETS generated XMLs and a wizard to generate new KNX "Devices".

                Of corse I am an IP-Symcon Poweruser for probably 11 years now. Getting started with the IP-Symcon Demo and switching the first KNX Light through the Webinterface take about 5 to 10 minutes.

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