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[swiss]

Die meisten Aktoren unterstützen 8bit Szenen. Dann ist es kein Problem. Jeder Aktor übersetzt die Szenennummer dann in einen für den Ausgang kompatiblen Wert.

z.B. 8-Bit Szenen GA 1/2/2 Szenennummer 3...

Der Dimmaktor hat ein 8-Bit Szenen KO und dimmt beim empfangen der 3 auf 20%
Der Schaltaktor für den Fernsehen hat auch ein 8-bit Szenen KO und schaltet beim empfangen der 3 den Ausgang 6 ein (ON).
Der Jaloaktor hat ebenfalls ein 8-bit Szenen KO und fährt beim Empfang der 3 die Jalo am Ausgang 1 und 2 auf 50%.

Die Voraussetzung dafür ist, dass alle Aktoren 8-bit Szenen unterstützen. Das können aber die meisten aktuellen Aktoren.

[Izeman]

@Warichet: Don´t be angry with me, but I think your way of thinking is wrong. It´s a difference between PB´s and actuators which are able to be part of a scene. The PB sends the 8-bit Szenen KO to all the actuators which are part of Scene 1 for example. When your jalo and dimmer are able to use scenes, they are able to receive this 8-bit Szenen KO. What happens in the actuators is different. The jalo knows, when I receive the 8-bit Szenen KO "Scene 1" I have to close jalo 4 (what happens normaly without a scene withe 1 bit).
So jalo and dimmer can´t be connected directly in a scene without an element which sends the information (8 bit) that Scene 1 in activated.

[Warichet]

@Warichet: Don´t be angry with me

I've no reason to do so .... yet

I think your way of thinking is wrong.

Most probably . Thank you for putting me right .

It´s a difference between PB´s and actuators which are able to be part of a scene. The PB sends the 8-bit Szenen KO to all the actuators which are part of Scene 1 for example. When your jalo and dimmer are able to use scenes, they are able to receive this 8-bit Szenen KO. What happens in the actuators is different. The jalo knows, when I receive the 8-bit Szenen KO "Scene 1" I have to close jalo 4 (what happens normaly without a scene withe 1 bit).

I understand the above text, but I'm unable to make it work as expected. I'm missing a concrete example or a doc or a part of the specs about scene. Seems to be difficult to get some readings.
How did you learn about scenes ? you were born with a scene in your mouth ?

So jalo and dimmer can´t be connected directly in a scene without an element which sends the information (8 bit) that Scene 1 in activated.

Well, I've first tested the scene stored in a PB, and there it works, I mean I can mix a Jalo and a Dimmer. Obviously, it's not the same stuff.

I guess what you explain above is specific to storing scenes in actuators. It's not a general statement, valid for all types of scenes.

But with the kind help of forum members, I'll get through .... one day or another

Thank you for your patience with a scene newbee

[Warichet]

I think your way of thinking is wrong.

I'm still wrong, unable to get the thing work (maybe I don't have the right devices)

Would you be so kind to post a couple of ScreenShots, please ?
If possible for the actuator and the PushButton.

The poor newbee says: many thanks in advance

[Izeman]

sorry, im actually at work. I try to send some pictures this evening.

[Warichet]

sorry, im actually at work

What a bad habit

I try to send some pictures this evening.

Thank you for the kind proposal , but maybe it's more fair if I do the job and post some pictures for you to check ?
I've following devices in a lab
1.1.78 Merten 627819 Quad BP with status, System M, BCU2 intégré
1.1.194 Merten 649802 Jalousienaktor 2x220V, BCU7
6498-Config-Std.JPG Jalo standard config at start, no scene
6498-Param-Chan2-Scene3.JPG parameters for channel2, Scene3 points to scene nr 55 (same for chan1)
After programming the Jalo as above, I see no additional KO to do any association, maybe my error is here
6278-ConfigStd.JPG config at start, no scene. The PB 1&2 are for the Jalo, 2&3 for a Dimmer
I want to assign a scene to BP 7&8
6278-Pam-PB7.JPG Parameters of the PB. BP7 configured for scene 55
GA-0-7-13.JPG PB7 is associated with GA 0/7/13
I've followed the procedure the best I can, but obviously there is a missing link.

Thank you for your patience with the scene newbee

[swiss]

Hallo Warichet

Du hast im Merten Jaloaktor unter "General" die Option "Szenen Allgemen" und gleich darunter "Nebenstelle Szene". Beide müssen aktiviert werden.

[Warichet]

Du hast im Merten Jaloaktor unter "General" die Option "Szenen Allgemen" und gleich darunter "Nebenstelle Szene". Beide müssen aktiviert werden.

Thank you very much for the hint. Although I've enabled it before, I've forgotton it in this instance

I think my problem is the PB Merten 6226. I guess it doesn't satisfy the requirement of being able to send 8-bit value.
Now, I'm using a PB Merten 6278 (integrated BCU), and I was able to trigger a scene

In my little lab I've only 1 actuator, which satisfies the requirements, my exercise isn't really representative. I'll try to get another one and make a "real" scene. Now I understand the sentence "put all scene KO in 1 GA". Without seeing it, it's difficult to imagine.

The scene nr selection is still not very clear.
I understand there is only *one* GA for *ALL* scenes. Correct ?
Suppose I've 5 actuators. Should I use the same scene number for all 5 actuators ? or should they be different for each actuator ?

Thanks to all for your help and patience.

The scene newbee has been promoted to dummy level 2

[swiss]

Wenn du in einer Szene 4 Jalousieausgänge steuern möchtest, müssen bei allen Ausgängen die gleiche Szenennummer gewählt werden.

z.B.

Jaloausgang1 szenennummer 55 -> 20%
Jaloausgang2 szenennummer 55 -> 45%
Jaloausgang3 szenennummer 55 -> 100%
Jaloausgang4 szenennummer 55 -> 0%

Der Szenentaster sendet dann nur die Szenenummer 55 auf die Szenen GA und der Aktor macht den Rest

[Warichet]

Wenn du in einer Szene 4 Jalousieausgänge steuern möchtest, müssen bei allen Ausgängen die gleiche Szenennummer gewählt werden.

OK, I understand, but in your example, it goes about 4 outputs from the SAME Jalo. No problem
Is it also true if I want to use only 1 output from 4 different actuators (1 Jalo, 1 dimmer, 1 Schaltaktor, 1 heating actuator) ?

[swiss]

Dieses System bleibt immer gleich. im nächsten Aktor aktivierst du wieder die Szenenfunktion, wählst die Szenennummer 55 und gibst den Zustand ein.

z.B. In deinem Dimmer, Jaloaktor, Schaltaktor oder Heizaktor.

Parameter -> Szenenfunktion -> Szenennummer 55 -> Zustand

Szenen KO -> Szenen GA

Das machst du bei jedem Aktor der zur Szene gehört.


Hast du mal eine Liste der Geräte die du verwenden willst? Dann werde ich für dich eine Anleitung erstellen, die du 1:1 nachbauen kannst, damit du die Zusammenhänge verstehst.

[Warichet]

Dieses System bleibt immer gleich. im nächsten Aktor aktivierst du wieder die Szenenfunktion, wählst die Szenennummer 55 und gibst den Zustand ein.

OK, fine

Hast du mal eine Liste der Geräte die du verwenden willst?

No, not really.
To tell you the truth, I don't use ETS scenes at all, hence my painfull ignorance

As an admin of the french forum, I've been requested for some help. As I didn't want to mess-up with my production environment, I've build a small lab (dedicated PC, RS232 I/F taken from my second line, build a cable, a "power supply and chocke" and some spare/obsolete devices to run the tests.

Dann werde ich für dich eine Anleitung erstellen, die du 1:1 nachbauen kannst

Thank you for the kind offer, much appreciated but I don't want you to do my job. You have already helped a lot. The scene newbee has to learn it's lesson ... the hard way

So far, I've already documented a few steps about scenes (sorry, it's of no use for you), waiting to be reviewed, before going public.

I need to expand my lab with one more "modern" device to get "real" scenes, just 1 device is not really representative.

A big many thanks for your kind help

PS: I might come back with yet another question. Newbees are like taxes, they never give up

[swiss]

Ok Wenn du noch Fragen hast, du weist ja wo du sie stellen kannst