How to configure curtains with ABB RC/A8.1 (JA/M2.230.1) + Jung 5092 TSM

[adonchevski]

Hi I have a curtains configured with ABB RC/A8.1 (JA/M2.230.1) + Jung 5092 TSM the following way:

Group 1 ("step/stop")
- TSM - Button 4 - Short time operation
- Output A: Slat adjustment / Stop - M3_01 // This is JA/M2.230.1 device at slot M3-A of RC/A8.1

Group 2 ("movement")
- TSM - Button 4 - Long-time operation
- Output A:Move blind Up-Down - M3_00 // This is JA/M2.230.1 device at slot M3-A of RC/A8.1

The problem is that the curtains have only two positions now - fully opened or fully closed. What is the way to control the curtain to stop at position what I choose - I imagine that 1) when I press once the button the curtain starts moving and 2) if I press again the button the curtain movement stops. Currently the second press of the button does not stop it but just move it to the other direction.

[Beleuchtfix]

Have a look onto the groupemonitor, what happens, if Ou press long and what if you press short.

[Punker Deluxe]

I think you have no roller shutters? One butten for louvre thats normal. Your Actor knows last Stop was down, next stop he will do up. There is no difficult between long or short.

[knxPaul]

According to the technical description "product manual" the KO-1 "step/stop" is used to stop the movement, so you use a second Group Address 2/1/0

#2 might show, that pressing the button for a long time will

1. send a telegram Group 1 ("step/stop") - TSM - Button 4 - Short time operation first
2. and a second telegram Group 2 ("movement") - TSM - Button 4 - Long-time operation afterwards

this is also sayed in #3

[adonchevski]

Have a look onto the groupemonitor, what happens, if Ou press long and what if you press short.

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When I short press the button both groups are activated. When I long press the button only 2/0/4 is activated.
Maybe I need a separate button for 2/1/0?

[Punker Deluxe]

I think the problem is toggel with short long. Try an other parameter. ( sorry its sunday and i dont want to start my ETS).

[Punker Deluxe]

Short long shot perhaps

[adonchevski]

Short long shot perhaps

Ok, will try. Just one observation - I moved the short operation on another button and there is no effect once pressed.

[adonchevski]

Short long shot perhaps

I tried all of the options including short-long-short, but the same result. Maybe some setting in JA/M2.230.1 ?

[Beleuchtfix]

Are you sure that the curtains work with continous power for up and down or perhaps they only need an impuls? And again, watch the group monitor.

[adonchevski]

Are you sure that the curtains work with continous power for up and down or perhaps they only need an impuls? And again, watch the group monitor.

Yes, they can work that way. From inside of ABB RC/A8.1 I can manually/physically test that.

[Beleuchtfix]

It has something to do with the operation concept. Start the movement (long press) and send a stop 2.1.0 command from ets, se what happens.
Regards Florian

[adonchevski]

It has something to do with the operation concept. Start the movement (long press) and send a stop 2.1.0 command from ets, se what happens.
Regards Florian

Triggering 2.1.0 from ETS has the same result.

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[knxPaul]

the ETS telegrams shown are printed with grey background; this shows, that the source address 15.15.25 is not in the same line as the destination address PA = 1.2.8
The fix depends upon the type of interface between ETS and KNX Bus.
"same result" says to me, that we have to discuss the operation concept in more details:

1. start the movement with GA = 2/0/4
2. while the curtains are moving send GA = 2/1/0
3. this combination should stop the movement
   
   

[adonchevski]

the ETS telegrams shown are printed with grey background; this shows, that the source address 15.15.25 is not in the same line as the destination address PA = 1.2.8
The fix depends upon the type of interface between ETS and KNX Bus.
"same result" says to me, that we have to discuss the operation concept in more details:

15.15.25 is my computer where ETS is opened. As requested in the thread I executed the commands from ETS 6.

[*]start the movement with GA = 2/0/4[*]while the curtains are moving send GA = 2/1/0[*]this combination should stop the movement

Already explained above that I have tested that from ETS - the lines in gray. I executed this using "Write Value" functionality.