Viessmann Vitogate 200 Typ EIB

[fireblade]

Das ist aus meinen Doku-Unterlagen gewesen, meine Steuerung ist da drin (HO1). Stimmt, da gab es Anfang des Jahres was Neues für Wärmepumpen etc.

[kike01]

Ich glaube die neueren (bspw. Vitocal 200 Typ W01A od. B) sind in dem geposteten Dokument nicht enthalten. Irgendetwas hat sich da 4/2012 auch geändert.

http://www.viessmann.de/de/software/...e-200-eib.html
http://www.viessmann.de/de/software/...b_05_2012.html

[Jache]

Danke für den Anhang.

Aber irgendwie werde ich daraus nicht schlau...

Woher weiß ich welche Steuerung ich genau habe???

Ich habe eine Vitotronic 200 aber danach Buchstaben und Zahlen Kombination???

[fireblade]

Was man über das Vitogate einstellen und auslesen kann, hängt von der vorhandenen Steuerung ab.
Genaueres steht in der Datenpunktbeschreibung von Viessmann, die ich jetzt mal angehängt habe. Ich hoffe, das ist ok.
Aber von Wärmemenge steht da nichts. Würde mich auch wundern, da bräuchte man ja die Fördermenge der Pumpe (plus Differenz Vorlauf/Rücklauf), um das auszurechnen.
Die Temperaturen sind ja da, aber die Fördermenge der Heizkreispumpe fehlt.
Ich werde das über eine Tanksonde lösen und aus dem verbrauchten Öl berechnen.

[Jache]

Hallo,

bekomme ich über das Vitogate 200 Type EIB auch die Wärmemenge in KWh ausgegeben? Oder benötige ich hierzu noch einen Wärmemengenzähler extra?

Ich würde gerne die JAZ einmal ausrechnen, aber dafür benötige ich die Wärmemenge der Heizung...

[Warichet]

I guess it needs some serious set-up, I mean it needs to differentiate between the RTR for radiators and the RTR for underfloor.

I've re-read almost all posts about the topic (pfiouu) and it seems that there must be 1 Baustein/circuit, i.e.
1 Baustein for the radiators circuit
1 Baustein for the underfloor circuit

Is that correct ?

and the price is still around 200€ ?

[fbirkholz]

Hi,

your answer sounds like you better get an approved installation from viessmann directly, because exact configuration seems to be different on every system :

Ha ! This one will make you laugh
I first ordered a Vitola 200 + VitoCell + VitoCom200 EIB.
Later, "they" realized that the Vitocom200 doesn't fit with the standard Vitotronic 200. The Vitotronic 200 had to be replaced by a Vitotronic 300 KW3, some motors and the mixing valve had to replaced, hence an extra cost of 1.500€. Did you laugh ?

I got informed that if I want to attach a mixer i have to buy an additional Vitotronic 200 incl. HV-Busmodul. Not knowing the difference betw. 200/300 this sound different to you (maybe ...

>Achtung : Wenn an dem Vitoplus 300 ein Mischer-Heizkreis angeschlossen ist, muß >dieser durch eine Vitotronic 200-H Typ HK1M ( Bestell-Nr. Z004980 ) mit HV-
>Busmodulen ( 7143710 + 7144549 + 7450061 ) geregelt werden !!!

Not sure if you know this page Viessmann - Vitocom 200 Typ EIB in special the document 2 [2] Planungsanleitung, Stand 05/2007 could be interesting.

A central heating is a huge investment, should be OK for 20 years without major change. As I see it, it's already dead after 6 years

100% Agree, but it seems that they only support reg. maintenance over this periode of time. My experience shows that you got a new/modified modell overy 2-3 years and heating technology - in germany - is changing rapidly in the last few years.

br
Franc

[Warichet]

Hi Franc,

I nearly asked the same question for Vitoplus 300 to viessmann-support

Same cause = same effect

As far as I know vitogate is only available for newer modells

OK, I can understand. Any idea if they offer an upgrade or retrofit kit ?
A central heating is a huge investment, should be OK for 20 years without major change. As I see it, it's already dead after 6 years

It seems that the COM is only a dull-device to bring status/values between both worlds.

Indeed, that's the way I used it. Now that I've some time and want to explore the extra capabilities, i.e. the Funktionsbaustein 7450 565. According to a previous post, there might be some interesting functions inside.

You may have to add some Viessmann (not EIB) controllers/cables before and have to configure all values by yourself.

Ha ! This one will make you laugh
I first ordered a Vitola 200 + VitoCell + VitoCom200 EIB.
Later, "they" realized that the Vitocom200 doesn't fit with the standard Vitotronic 200. The Vitotronic 200 had to be replaced by a Vitotronic 300 KW3, some motors and the mixing valve had to replaced, hence an extra cost of 1.500€. Did you laugh ?

Also you may need addtional counters/logics (like EIB-Funktionsbaustein 7450565 ) to change values in your system.

Well, if this procedure is well documented, I mean better than the "FunktionBaustein.pdf" I've got, which is a piece of crap, maybe I can tackle it ?

The vitogate - as far as I learned - has a little logic inside to connect your system "more directly" to the EIB - so the gate should be better possible to automatically detect valuable parameters of your system.

Mmmm, sounds good. It all boils down as to know if there is any supported way to migrate from a VitoCom200 to a VitoGate.
At least, you don't have the language barrier

If I'm wrong some member of these board may correct me

Not sure.
Clever people didn't bet on the world leader's reputation, they carefully selected Buderus. I din't see much complaints in this forum.

Thank you for taking the time and trouble to reply. You brought me some hope.

[fbirkholz]

Hi,

I nearly asked the same question for Vitoplus 300 to viessmann-support some months ago.

Hi,
Anyone knows the main differences between a Vitocom 200EIB and a VitoGate ?
I know the Vitocom is rather old, maybe the VitoGate is just a modern replacement ?

They told me that my system isn't compatible to work with vitogate 200 but should work with Vitocom 200 EIB. As far as I understood, it's depending on the different internal system-control of your heating wether gate or com is working. As far as I know vitogate is only available for newer modells...

It seems that the COM is only a dull-device to bring status/values between both worlds. You may have to add some Viessmann (not EIB) controllers/cables before and have to configure all values by yourself. Also you may need addtional counters/logics (like EIB-Funktionsbaustein 7450565 ) to change values in your system. The COM didn't have any special knowledge of your system only transferring values between both worlds.

The vitogate - as far as I learned - has a little logic inside to connect your system "more directly" to the EIB - so the gate should be better possible to automatically detect valuable parameters of your system.

If I'm wrong some member of these board may correct me.

br
Franc

[Warichet]

Hi,

Anyone knows the main differences between a Vitocom 200EIB and a VitoGate ?
I know the Vitocom is rather old, maybe the VitoGate is just a modern replacement ?

I found this documentation :
EIB-Funktionsbaustein_in_Verbindung_mit_Vitogate_200_E IB.pdf
The question is: could I use it ?
It looks very similar, but I'm a bit scared doing wrong settings.

Local support is of no help (they never heard the word "Vitocom 200EIB"). It looks like I've done the wrong bet with Viessmann , but maybe "with a little help from my friends" .....

[Warichet]

Hi Joachim,

Thanks for the detailed reply

From the maximum of the actuating variable AVmax - this is basically, what the Funktionsbaustein does by analyzing the actuating variable (AV) sent by all room teperature controller in the EIB

Pfiouu, looks more complicated then I thought.
I guess it needs some serious set-up, I mean it needs to differentiate between the RTR for radiators and the RTR for underfloor.

Awaiting a pointer to the doc

[koenen]

Hi,
Idon't have the Funktionsbaustein, but use a similar fuctionality on my homeserver. I use it as follows:
From the maximum of the actuating variable AVmax - this is basically, what the Funktionsbaustein does by analyzing the actuating variable (AV) sent by all room teperature controller in the EIB - I calculate the "roomtemperature value" (RT) of the corresponding heating circuit (this the value you can change by manually turn the wheel at the viessmann controller) according to:

RT = RTmin + AVmax* RTInterval

with RTmin something like 17 C and RTInterval = 8 C, so depending on AVmax
which is in the range from 0 ... 100%, the RT changes from 17 ... 25 C.
Therefore the water temperature will be highest, when AVmx is 100%, and lowes, if it is 0%. Whithout this typically the warter temperature will be dependent on outside temperature only. As far as I know, the calculation according the above equation is built into the Funktionsbaustein as well.
Hope this helps
Joachim

[Warichet]

Hat das Teil inkl. Funktionsbaustein jemand produktiv im Einsatz und kann mir die Zuteilung der GA des Funktionsbeispieles erklären?

Same question, for a fuel heating system.
I've the "EIB - Funktionsbaustein (BCU), 7450 565"
I've purchased the Funktionsbaustein at the same time as the heating system, but never used it. It's about time now.
I've a small idea about what it can do, but no practical approach
The doc is terrible, very very bad photocopie scanned in a pdf, almost unreadable: FunktionBaustein.pdf 3.370K
Anyone having a better document, please ?

Thank you for any hint about how to start with this thing.

My config

Vitola 200 VB2, 7242 176, SN: 7242176501548105 7517 313
Vitocell-H 100 CHA, 7151 310, SN: 7151310539317107
Vitoflame 100 VEM, 7143 396
Vitotronic 300 KW3, 7187 091, SN: 7187 091 501 87 41 05
Extension Module for Vitotronic 300 KW3 (2 wire Bus), 7450 564
EIB - Funktionsbaustein (BCU), 7450 565
Vitocom 200 type EIB, 7450 539, SN: 7450539400070103
Motor 7178 995, SN: 7178995412959109
KM BUS expansion, 7415 028, SN: 7415028401750109
Power expansion, 7415 030, SN: 7415030401114102
Divicon with mixing valve, 7516 401, 1210350
System verbindung für Vitocell 100, 7517 435, SN: 7517435411413103
Conduites, 7517 435
Exterior temperature sensor
Small collector with security group, 7143 779
Pompe de circulation pour Divicon VIHU 4-3Ku, 7186 970, 0010257
Pompe de circulation VIRS 25/4-1, 7339 455 0020557

[Lapheus]

Hallo zusammen,

Viessmann hat es vollbracht!

Es steht einen neue Version der Applikation zur Verfügung:

Hier.

Gruss

Lapheus

[fireblade]

Ich hab die 300 W seit 3 Jahren, da ist eine "weiße" Steuerung drin, die mit dem momentanen Stand des Vitogate funktioniert. Ich werde es mir noch vor dem Winter einbauen.
Wenn du dir das Gerät erst jetzt holst, ist da bestimmt die neue "schwarze" Steuerung drin. Und da muss das Vitogate noch überarbeitet werden. Also: nicht die Heizung ist bezügl. Vitogate entscheidend, sondern die verbaute Steuerung.