KNX/EIB Programming devices

[MikeMelga]

Hi all.

I am very new to KNX and I am starting to program my installation.
Everything went fine except for 2 devices:

- Busch-Jaeger 6195/22 4-fold switch actuator
and
- ABB JA/S 4.6.1 4-fold Blind actuator

When programming the first one I receive an error in ETS saying that the address of the device was programmed but it failed the final check (or something like that). It also states that the application version is different from the one I have and that it will overwrite the current application. It gives an error shortly after saying the device can't be programmed.

The second is more strange: ETS waits for the press of the programming button but when I press it on the device the led lights up and immediately turns off. ETS waits forever for the programming button.

Both these devices are somewhat old and I still don't know how to spot a defective device.

Am I doing something wrong or the devices are defective?


One last question: is it possible to use a merten pushbutton (6206) in a Gira bus coupler (570 00) ?

Thanks.

[Gaston]

Hi,

Do you have Couplers in your installation ? Could be that either the device or the PC with the ETS is connected to the wrong line (wrong physical address for th eLine where they are connected).

Regarding the Merten Pushbutton: In general it is not possible to put a device from Producer X on a BCU of Producer Y. The only excepotion would be standard function devices using one of the basic TEI interfaces as for example a 4 channel Pushbutton. In any case you would need to use an application from the BCU Producer (thus Gira in this example) as the application and BCU Producers need to match.

Now in the precise case of the Merten 6026 this appears to me not to be a basic TEI interface, having 4 Pushbuttons with status LEDs. Such devices use a more advanced communicatioin protocol on the TEI and thus depend on the correct application. Since the application won't run on the Gira BCU, this won't work in turn.

Cheers,
Gaston

[MikeMelga]

Hi gaston. Thanks for the reply.

No, I don't have any couplers. It's a single line installation.
I don't know which line/address the devices have (because they were used) but shouldn't they reset the address upon programming?

About the pushbutton... from what you say it is impossible to do it but is there such an application for the Gira BCU? (for future uses)

Thanks.

[Gaston]

No, I don't have any couplers. It's a single line installation.
I don't know which line/address the devices have (because they were used) but shouldn't they reset the address upon programming?

Yes, the old address does not matter. I was refering to the new address. However if there are no Couplers the address would not matter anyway even if they would be in two different lines. The topology would then be wrong but th eprogramming would work rigthaway.

From there its difficult to say if th eproduct is defective. For that one would have to get them out of th einstallation and test them in a small test environment. For example in the beginning I had a device which failed programming each time. But the the error came from another device which worked perfectly. It appeared that the reason was a mixture of timing due to th ehigh data volume during programming and the other device violating the EIB Standard in some circumstances.

About the pushbutton... from what you say it is impossible to do it but is there such an application for the Gira BCU? (for future uses)

There should at least be a legacy one for each PEI (did state TEI in my previous post by misstake) I would guess. I see this only as theoretical possibility, personally I would probably never do it.

[MikeMelga]

Gaston,

I will try to get them out and program them individually before I assume they are defective.

Thanks for your time.