Programmieren bricht häufig ab mit "Connection Closed by remote device"

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Programmieren bricht häufig ab mit "Connection Closed by remote device"

19.09.2022, 17:59
Hi, ich habe hier ein Problem mit dem Programmieren zweier Schaltaktoren MDT AKS-1616.03. Und zwar schlägt das Programmieren in ca. 80% aller Fälle fehl mit der im Betreff genannten Fehlermeldung.

Programmiert wird über ein MDT SCN-IP000.03 IP Interface. Ich habe mal das Log des Gruppenmonitors mitgeschickt. Lässt sich für euch da vielleicht etwas erkennen? Auffällig ist, dass das Problem immer bei der Nachricht Count=44, Address=$4668 anfängt. Die Aktoren scheinen das ACK des IP-Interfaces nicht mehr zu verarbeiten ab dieser Stelle.

Zur Topologie: Das IP-Interface hat die Adresse 1.5.2, der Schaltaktor aus dem Log die 1.5.9. Alle betroffenden Geräte hängen zusammen an einer Linie hinter dem Linienkoppler Winzierl 650 mit der Adresse 1.5.0.

PS: Da ich das Log nicht als Datei anhängen kann, füge ich es hier mal ein:
Code:
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Zuletzt geändert von gowi; 19.09.2022, 18:06.
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Klaus Gütter

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#2

19.09.2022, 19:32

Zur Not in den Projekteigenschaften reduzierte Buskommunikation einstellen. Dann macht die ETS langsamer und verwendet nur kurze Telegramme.
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gowi

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#3

19.09.2022, 21:27

Zitat von Klaus Gütter Beitrag anzeigen

Zur Not in den Projekteigenschaften reduzierte Buskommunikation einstellen. Dann macht die ETS langsamer und verwendet nur kurze Telegramme.

Das bringt leider nichts. Nach ca. 3/4 der Programmiervorganges fangen die Telegramm-Wiederholungen an.
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gowi

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#4

20.09.2022, 00:36

Nochmal eine Frage zum Hop Count. Die Topologie sieht (zumindest nach Schaltplan) so aus:

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Hauptlinie--| |-Linie 1.1 (Wohnung 1) GAs: 1/x/x |-Linie 1.2 (Wohnung 2) GAs: 2/x/x |-Linie 1.3 (Wohnung 3) GAs: 3/x/x |-Linie 1.4 (Außen) GAs: 4/x/x |-Linie 1.5 (Allgemein) GAs: 5/x/x

Zwischen Hauptlinie und den einzelnen Linien sitzt jeweils ein Weinzierl LineCoupler 650, welche GAs nicht filtern. Der Hop Count einer Nachricht von 1.2.14 an mein IP-Interface mit PA 1.5.2 liegt bei 5:
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Müsste der Hop Count nicht bei 4 liegen? Die Multicast-Nachricht wird mit Hop Count=6 gesendet. Die Koppler der Linien 1.2 und 1.5 sollten dann jeweils ein Hop abziehen. Ist dann entweder mein Verständnis des Hop Counts falsch oder liegt das IP-Interface vielleicht in Wirklichkeit in der Linie 1.0?

Zuletzt geändert von gowi; 20.09.2022, 00:49.
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vento66

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#5

20.09.2022, 04:19

Zitat von gowi Beitrag anzeigen

Zwischen Hauptlinie und den einzelnen Linien sitzt jeweils ein Weinzierl LineCoupler 650, welche GAs nicht filtern.

Da ist ja schon ein arger Fehler drin! Und dafür gibt man Geld für eine „Fachfirma“ aus….
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Klaus Gütter

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#6

20.09.2022, 05:22

Zitat von gowi Beitrag anzeigen

Müsste der Hop Count nicht bei 4 liegen?

Ja.

Das spricht dafür, dass das IP-Interface in Wirklichkeit auf der Hauptlinie sitzt und eine Adresse 1.0.x haben müsste.

Andererseits sieht man in deiner Telegrammaufzeichnung, dass zwischen dem Interface und der 1.5.9 kein Koppler sitzt.

Zuletzt geändert von Klaus Gütter; 20.09.2022, 06:49.
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gowi

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#7

20.09.2022, 06:31

Zitat von vento66 Beitrag anzeigen

Da ist ja schon ein arger Fehler drin! Und dafür gibt man Geld für eine „Fachfirma“ aus….

Worauf bezieht sich die Aussage? Auf die Einstellung Weiterleiten? Die ist nur zu Testzwecken so eingestellt. Auch bei "Filtern" ändert sich nichts am Fehlerbild.
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vento66

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#8

20.09.2022, 06:34

Weil "Weiterleiten" eine Telegrammflut von Wiederholungen erzeugt....
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gowi

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#9

20.09.2022, 08:01

Zitat von Klaus Gütter Beitrag anzeigen

Ja.

Das spricht dafür, dass das IP-Interface in Wirklichkeit auf der Hauptlinie sitzt und eine Adresse 1.0.x haben müsste.

Andererseits sieht man in deiner Telegrammaufzeichnung, dass zwischen dem Interface und der 1.5.9 kein Koppler sitzt.

Genau so war es. Der Schaltschrankbauer hat zwei Fehler eingebaut:
- Das IP-Interface war an der Hauptlinie angeschlossen (prinzipiell richtig), laut Schaltplan jedoch am Koppler für Linie 1.5
- Die MDT-Schaltakoren waren ebenfalls an der Hauptlinie angeschlossen, gehören aber laut Schaltplan und von der Logik her zur Linie 1.5

Nachdem ich nun beide Fehler korrigiert habe (dem IP-Interface eine PA der Linie 1.0 zugewiesen, die Verkabelung der Schaltaktoren geändert), funktioniert das Programmieren nun ohne Probleme. Die Wiederholungen sind nun auch verschwunden.
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