HS/FS experte has stopped working

[Warichet]

Hi,
I'm upgrading from 4.1 to 4.4, using a new PC with Windows 7, 64bit.
Installation OK, import OK, but when trying to download my project, I get a pop-up saying

Experte.exe
experte has stopped working
A problem caused the program to stop working corretly
Windows will close the program

Is this a known problem related to the 64bit version ?

[MatthiasS]

I can use Experte from 2.2 to 4.5beta under Win7, 8, 10 both 32 and 64 bit without special modifications.

[Warichet]

Thanks for the quick reply.
I'll start from scratch, with a tried and trusted 4.1, via RS232 as nothing else works anymore
I guess the right sequence is:
download Firmware with firmware update tool via RS232
download the project with Experte, via the RS232 option
correct ?

[Warichet]

I've tried several ways to upgrade, no luck yet.
When using HS Transfer, I see a message

Experte und Firmware passen nicht

I understand the versions should match and I thought it was so, but something is wrong

Can someone recommend the most basic and failsave way to upgrade a HS2 ?

[MatthiasS]

Your HS is on 4.1 and you want to go to 4.4?

[Warichet]

Yes

[EIBJ]

Hi
Here is how I do it:
1.) Start Experte 4.1 => export Project to file (Archive with QC and Password)
2.) Install Experte 4.4
3.) Import saved Project into 4.4 Experte (check project for Errors !)
4.) From 4.4 Experte start Firmware upload tool (via network to the running 4.1 HS)
5.) Upload Projekt (using 4.4 Experte) to HS
No need for RS232 anymore :-)

Good Luck

[Warichet]

Hi EIBJ,

Thanks for the reply.
I think I've done the procedure according to your recommendation, but encountered some problems (version not match)
I'll do it again, very carefully.

Also, I didn't mention it, I want to change the HS IP address, I guess it is enough to change it in the project ? no other place to change it ?

[Warichet]

3.) Import saved Project into 4.4 Experte (check project for Errors !)

I get a bunch of errors, although the project runs fine under 4.1

12 yellow sign
Interne Kommunikationsobjekte können nicht per bevehl abgevragt werden

22 red sign
Interne Kommunikationsobjekte können nicht per bevehl abgevragt werden

What is the best way to get around those errors ?

[MatthiasS]

It makes no sense to read internal objects by command ("Befehl"). The HS knows the state of these objects all the time: they are internal, created by the HS. Delete these commands, the are ueseless.

[Warichet]

It makes no sense to read internal objects by command ("Befehl").

In my case, they are used within the GLE, some are input values
I thought those iKO are a good idea to bring some order in the structure

Delete these commands, the are ueseless.

Mmm, don't know how to do that properly.
It looks like I've to rewrite the logic and, for each instance of an iKO, use a std KO instead of iKO.
Correct ?

[EIBJ]

Hi
As Matthias said, there is no need to "read" the IKO by command (Befehl) cause they already have the actual Value. They are HS Internal !
So you need to get rid of the "read command" and everything should be OK. Just double click on the RED Error line, Experte will bring you to the exact place there the error is.
If unsure post the experte screen here.

You need to get your project error free in order to complete 4.4 Upgrade, cause you have to upload your project with experte 4.4 to a HS running Firmware 4.4. Otherwise you will get the "version not match".
Did you check if your HS already has the new Firmware http://HS-IP/hslist => Enter List "debug" and your user and pw
in the output "SYSTEM Section" you should see a line

Version

4.4.0.151203

In this case 4.4.xxxxx. means 4.4 Firmware on HS. Then you have to fix your errors and upload.
Good Luck

[Warichet]

If unsure post the experte screen here.

OK

You need to get your project error free in order to complete 4.4 Upgrade,

OK, understand

you have to upload your project with experte 4.4 to a HS running Firmware 4.4.

I've gathered a collection of FW, hoping to find the right combination. Now I understand it has to be an exact match

Otherwise you will get the "version not match".

Oh, I've plenty, I've some spare for you, if you wish :-)

Did you check if your HS already has the new Firmware

That's not possible anymore, the HS is totally screwed up, the only thing which still works is via RS232.
What is the right sequence for RS232 upload ?
the FW first then the Projekte or
Projekte first then FW ?

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[Warichet]

Sorry, I've an understanding problem, so i'll re-phrase my question
Suppose that in a GLE sheet, I write a block doing 2+3.
I found it simple to put the output into an iKO, say 100/7/41
In the Visu, I want to display the output of my calculation, i.e. displaying 100/7/41
What's wrong ?
I'm not doing any command (befehle) or any explicit read, but I guess it's no good

What is the recommended way to do the above ?

[MatthiasS]

They way above is not the problem.

Your error codes says, that you are reading (Befehl Abfragen) an internal KO. Select that internal KO and check "Verweise".