HS Watch Address

[Warichet]

Hi,

I've defined several "watch address", and they work fine, except one.
So, on the same actuator, I've defined following:

GA 0/6/21 the actual actuator port (1.1.155#A)
GA 0/6/22 status, watch address triggered by 0/6/21
When looking in the MS Monitor: it works, both GA are toggled together

GA 0/6/23 the actual actuator port (1.1.155#B)
GA 0/6/24 status, watch address triggered by 0/6/23
When looking in the MS Monitor: I see that only GA 0/6/23 is toggled. GA 0/6/24 doesn't move, seems to be dead.
I realize that the above statement might look crazy, but hélas, that's what I see.
NB: port 1.1.155#B *IS WORKING*, I hear it clicking.
NB: when I link GA 0/6/24 to 0/6/21 (it doesn't make sense, just for test) it doesn't work either.

How could I debug this problem ? Are there any known restrictions ? (didn't find any in the help).

Thank you for your hints

[Gaston]

Hi Raymond,

My first thought would be that the read flag is not set on the status object. But anyway I am asking myself why you need watch addresses for Aktuator status objects. Usually these get transmitted (assuming the T flag is set) at least when the state of the port changes. So there is no need to explicitely read them.

You may then use the Status object in zthe HS as central address for the actual switching object to keep it in sync with central commands.

Cheers,
Gaston

[Warichet]

Hi Gaston,
Nice to hear from you again

But anyway I am asking myself why you need watch addresses for Aktuator status objects.

Ouups, pardon, I didn't make myself very clear and forgot to mention that this crummy actuator has no status object, hence the usefullness of the watch address

You may then use the Status object in zthe HS as central address for the actual switching object to keep it in sync with central commands.

OK, thanks. I haven't explored the central address function yet (still so many things to learn )

[Warichet]

Would someone be so kind to check if a Watch Address on a 1bit object can be seen in the HS Monitor ?

Thank you

[Warichet]

Would someone be so kind to check if a Watch Address on a 1bit object can be seen in the HS Monitor ?

No one has a HS and the HS Monitor and a Watch address and 5 min to help a desperate newbee ?

I would be very happy if someone could do the test. I'm reaching the "end of the road" due to my lack of experience and no other system to compare with.

Thank you in advance

[MatthiasS]

GA 0/6/21 the actual actuator port (1.1.155#A)
GA 0/6/22 status, watch address triggered by 0/6/21

Is that really true?

Your status is triggered by the actuator port???

This is completely wrong, imho. Normally it is the other way round: Actuator port has status object as watch adress!

[Warichet]

Is that really true?

Yes, Sir

Your status is triggered by the actuator port???

Please pardon my ignorance, but that is what I've understood from the help.

This is compleytely wrong, imho. Normally it is the other way round: Actuator port has status object as watch adress!

In my case, I've a Merten actuator, that has a status object, only for channel 1 . I've understood that I could "fake" a status object via the watch address, by monitoring the actual state of the actuator port. The funny thing, it works for a dimmer (seems not to work for 1 bit object)

Thank you for putting me right

[MatthiasS]

Watch address means:

If HS receives a telegram on this group address, it will read the overlying adress.

For example:

If a dimmer is "switched" on by value, sometimes the switch object itself will not show the correct status.

If I add the dimming or value address as a watch address to the switch address, very time someone dims the lights or sets the dimming value, HS will READ the switch objekt.

Conclusion:

HS LISTENS to watch addresses, if watch address was sent, HS will READ main address.

[Warichet]

HS LISTENS to watch addresses, if watch address was sent, HS will READ main address.

Thank you very much Matthias
If I get you right, this behaviour is only valid for dimm objects ?
Hence it is normal that is doesn't work for a 1bit object ?
Well, well, it is not so obvious by reading the help. (Indeed the doc takes the dimm example)

[MatthiasS]

No, it works with every object!

These objects don't even have to belong to one specific device.

You could, if it would make sense, let the HS read the current temperature from the weather station if someone rings the doorbell.

Just remember: the HS performs an READ request. So it is necessary to have L-flag set in order to be able at all to read out the object status!

[jef2000]

From what I understood, the problem is that you don't have anything to trigger the watch address and make it read the actual state. Then you have to see when the actuator value is likely to change (when the actuator would transmit it if there was a status object) and trigger the watch address.
A periodic timer (e.g. every 60 sec) would do the job but at the price of unnecessary bus traffic. For which task is this actuator used?

Kr,

Jean-François

[Warichet]

No, it works with every object!

OK, good news

Just remember: the HS performs an READ request.

OK, I got it

So it is necessary to have L-flag set in order to be able at all to read out the object status!

Do you mean the ETS read flag or the HS read flag ?
Anyway, I've put all flags on in ETS, and the HS read flag as well. No luck.

Well, if it works for you and not for me, then I've something fundamentally wrong in my installation. Maybe a total misunderstanding.

Do you agree that the set-up of my GA is correct ? if not, any suggestion about how to set it right ?

Thank you for your patience with a HS newbee

[Warichet]

the problem is that you don't have anything to trigger the watch address and make it read the actual state.

Hmmmm, well yes.
But the original question is explicitely about Watch Address and 1 bit object and the display in the HS Monitor. Indeed, in this case "no one" is reading, or forcing a read of the main GA

According to a specialist, the HS monitor doesn't make any difference between a Watch Address and any other. So, I've to take this for granted.

I persist to have some doubts, until some one has done the test and says "works for me".

[Michel]

Well, if it works for you and not for me, then I've something fundamentally wrong in my installation.

Not necessarily!
It depends on your devices!
Remember that not all devices provide the possibility to use the READ-Flag. See the appropiate documentation whether you can use the "L" / "READ" - Flag or not.

If not, no READ - telegrams send by the HS and other devices will be answered by such devices.

[Warichet]

not all devices provide the possibility to use the READ-Flag.

Right, I overlooked this possibility. But I've only one actuator with this problem, so I cannot test with another device.

See the appropiate documentation whether you can use the "L" / "READ"

It's about a Merten 647829 8x220V. I've the 8_4_04_D_PRODUKT_KURZ_647829.pdf and it doesn't say much (it is really "kurz").

If not, no READ - telegrams send by the HS and other devices will be answered by such devices.

OK, fine. But I'm still puzzled about the HS Monitor behaviour.
In your opinion, should the HS Monitor display a Watch Address correctly ? If you have a HS and the HS Monitor a quick test will put a definite answer to the question.