[OT] Gira Türkommunikations-System

[MikeMelga]

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Hallo.

Ich installiere einen Gira Türkommunikations-System. Unter anderem habe ich 2 Tastaturen und 2 Fingerprint-Leser aus dem Keyless-In-Bereich.

Mein Problem ist folgendes: Ich möchte die Sicherheit durch Verbinden dieser Keyless-In-Geräte an den Türkommunikations-Bus (back.jpg) zu erhöhen, aber ich habe keine homestations oder Tür Stationen in der Nähe. Ich habe nur ein einziges Feld / Gerät (wie fingerprint.jpg Bild).

Wie kann ich diese an den Bus?

Ist es möglich, die Buskoppler tauschen? Wenn ich eine Tastatur Oberteil (keypad.jpg) direkt an einen Buskoppler verbinden aus einer Türstation (BC1 und bc2.jpg) wird es funktionieren?
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Hi.

I am installing a Gira Door Communication System. Amongst other things I have 2 keypads and 2 fingerprint readers from the Keyless-in range.

My problem is this: I want to increase security by connecting these keyless-in devices to the door communication bus (back.jpg) but I don't have homestations or door stations nearby. All I have is a single box/device (like fingerprint.jpg image).

How can I connect these to the bus?

Is it possible to swap the bus couplers? If I connect a keypad top part (keypad.jpg) directly to a bus coupler from a door station (bc1 and bc2.jpg) will it work?

[Gaston]

Is it possible to swap the bus couplers? If I connect a keypad top part (keypad.jpg) directly to a bus coupler from a door station (bc1 and bc2.jpg) will it work?

The Keyless In devices do not have bus couplers which is the reason they new the one of the door station.

It would be possible to attach it using a door station BCU yes, but this is not trivial. You'll need to contact the Gira Hotline for details, and I am not sure that they still support this.

Cheers,
Gaston

[Axel]

Um einen Fingerprint Standalone in das Türkommunikationssystem integrieren zu können, bedarf es einen speziellen Busankoppler, der so nicht gelistet ist.

Fingerprint und Unterteil bilden eine Einheit welche über das Flachbandkabel an den Busankoppler angeschlossen werden. Der Busankoppler ist in das Türkommunikationssystem durch exakt 3 Sekunden Brücke einzubinden. Dann funktioniert es prima.

Eine Tiefe Schalterdose bzw. Elektronikdose wird benötigt.

Der Busankoppler hat die Gira Nummer 141000

[MikeMelga]

Hi.

Thanks for the replies.

It would be possible to attach it using a door station BCU yes, but this is not trivial. You'll need to contact the Gira Hotline for details, and I am not sure that they still support this.

I'll contact Gira Hotline. Any idea why is it not trivial?

Der Busankoppler hat die Gira Nummer 141000

Ja, das ist der Buskoppler Ich habe aber die Box sagt 1410 00 und der Buskoppler liest Etikett auf der Innenseite 42 40 00.
Ich werde versuchen, diese zusammenzuführen. Hoffen wir, dass ich nicht kurzschließen die ganze Sache


Thanks again!

[zybi]

Is the bus couplers 141 000 must be ordered separately at Gira?

[MikeMelga]

Is the bus couplers 141 000 must be ordered separately at Gira?

Yes.

I've just got a response from Gira Hotline:

" yes it is possible that you connect the keypad to the bus couplers directly and it will work.
"

Great

[MikeMelga]

A quick update on this.

I've connected the keypad directly to the Gira Door Communication bus coupler (1410 00) and it didn't work. The keypad lighted up but nothing more happened. It was unresponsive.
I've tried with a fingerprint reader and also didn't work. It only lighted up.

Any ideas? Could it be a faulty bus coupler?

[MatthiasS]

Did you see the two wire bridges on the coupler?

[MikeMelga]

Did you see the two wire bridges on the coupler?

I've connected the bus from the video controller device (1288 00) and I've connected the 24v to a separate door communication power supply (300ma).
Which bridges are you talking about?

[MatthiasS]

These between BUS and ZV.

[MikeMelga]

MatthiasS,

Thanks for the reply.
It seems we are talking about two different things. I do not want to use the keypad next to another door communication device. I want to use it alone (like in the picture I've sent - fingerprint.jpg) BUT connected to the door communication system (not using the relays).

So... I was trying to connect THE TOP PART of the keypad to the Gira door communication bus coupler (1410 00) making only one device that has (in the back) the connector from your image 2.

That didn't work.

[MatthiasS]

I understand you well. I have exactly the same situation in my house - and it works.

I am talking about these two red wires:

[MikeMelga]

I understand you well. I have exactly the same situation in my house - and it works.

I am talking about these two red wires:

Ok. But correct me if I am wrong: that bridge is used to power the device from the door communication bus. If you have a separate power supply (like I do) you don't need to make that bridge. Isn't that so?

[MatthiasS]

Of course, you are right!

MatthiasS,
So... I was trying to connect THE TOP PART of the keypad to the Gira door communication bus coupler (1410 00) making only one device that has (in the back) the connector from your image 2.

I Read your post again. I dont understand what you mean with TOP part. You have to use the COMPLETE keypad and connect it to the coupler!

[MikeMelga]

I Read your post again. I dont understand what you mean with TOP part. You have to use the COMPLETE keypad and connect it to the coupler!

By TOP part...I mean the part shown in my last photo (keypad.jpg). I wanted to connect that to the Gira 1410 00 bus coupler.

If I do need to connect the whole keypad... I can never have a single wall element (like the fingerprint picture) connected to the bus system. Is that so? That means every time I see a single keyless-in product in a 1-fach box I know that is working via the internal relais and that is not very secure.