ETS Inside und ETS 5.5

[uwe1]

the new support centre for ETS Inside at https://support.knx.org.

Well done!!! ;-)

[valour]

Hauswart exactly!

[Hauswart]

valour yeah, thank you.

So the usecase testboard is possible. We can have two ETS inside server which can be used with one dongle (license). Only with the limitation that the ETS inside server where dongle is attached to is configurable.

If you are using Windows 10 VMs you may only need one host.

[valour]

Hello bastianw , uwe1,

uwe1's answer is correct. You have to install the ETS Inside server to a Windows 10 computer (see the requirements here) and then install any ETS Inside client to access it. The client can be an Android tablet, iPad, Windows. In case of Windows client, you can install it on the same computer where ETS Inside server is installed and access the "localhost". For more information, you can always consult (if your English understanding is ok, don't worry, we will have the content also available in German soon) the new support centre for ETS Inside at https://support.knx.org. The content is constantly being updated and more information and pictures are added.

Hello Videonisse ,
I think that something is still not clear to you (or to me ). Moving the dongle is no problem at all. However, the device with the visualisation and the ETS Inside server remains on the installation (as well as the project of the ETS Inside). You will have to have a second ETS Inside server to your "test" system.

Best regards,
Vassilios Lourdas
System & Tool Engineer
KNX Association

[Videonisse]

Sooner or later, there will be KNX manufacturers embedding the ETS Inside server in their devices (e.g. a KNX visualisation server with embedded ETS Inside). What would you do in this case? Would you remove the visualisation server of the project? I assume no.

No, I would just move the dongle to my test system. The visu server will just continue to work.

Or would this be a problem, having ETS Inside on two servers and share a single license between them? Of course only one at a time.

[uwe1]

Du installierst die ETS-Inside SERVER auf einen Windows 10 Gerät ... also dein Notebook.
Die ETS-Inside CLIENT App installierst du auf Tablet, Smartphone oder PC/Notebook. Über die Client App - die auf den ETS Insider Server zugreift - konfigurierst du dann ... wenn ich das alles so richtig verstanden habe.

[bastianw]

For me it is still not really clear how it works.
I kann install it on my Windows 10 Notebook with the lincensing dongle inside. But then it would only work as a Server and i must use my ipad for the installation?
Or can i use my Notebook?

[valour]

Hello Volker,

That may be another use case, however the concept of the ETS Inside is to always be part of the KNX installation with its own licensing dongle, so no relation with the ETS Professional.
Sooner or later, there will be KNX manufacturers embedding the ETS Inside server in their devices (e.g. a KNX visualisation server with embedded ETS Inside). What would you do in this case? Would you remove the visualisation server of the project? I assume no.

Therefore, ETS Inside is the way for non experienced users to make a KNX installation with not too much effort, however we cannot exclude the fact that one may use it differently from what KNX Association has thought. I hope that my answer covered your question.

Best regards,
Vassilios Lourdas
System & Tool Engineer
KNX Association

and it has never been possible or mentioned that ETS Inside would be able to manage more than 1 project at the time. ETS Inside is part of the installation and shall only be possible to handle one and only project.

Hi Vassilios,

let me explain the background of my comment/question.

Many DIY-guys here are perfect candidates for ETS Inside, planning KNX just once for their private home. However, the question came up what that "1 project limit" really means. Some understood that they will need a second ETS Inside license if they want to build a testboard upfront, i.e. a second project.
My take was that with ETS Inside installed on a Mini-PC (much like we use ETS pro today), we can detach it from one installation temporarily, move it to the testboard for a while, and then later move it back to the main installation. From my understanding, this would be coverered by the "1 project at the time" limit, given that there's a practical way to import/export the project. Or if you prefer that wording, backup and restore. Do I expect too much flexibility here, can you comment on this "testboard" use case?

[valour]

bastianw
We have had some difficulties with the release, but we hope to have the ETS Inside server released within the upcoming days.

Best regards,
Vassilios Lourdas
System & Tool Engineer
KNX Association

[bastianw]

What will be the real launch-date for ETS Inside?
Is it really this week?

[valour]

Hello @volkerm,

We have not changed our mind, this is for sure, and it has never been possible or mentioned that ETS Inside would be able to manage more than 1 project at the time. ETS Inside is part of the installation and shall only be possible to handle one and only project.

Import/Export was indeed mentioned as 'Yes' for the Installer of the ETS Inside. However, after checking it deeper for the implementation, we found out that his is technically not possible. On the iPads it is not allowed to browse files. Project synchronisation will be the function to exchange projects between an ETS Professional and an ETS Inside device, but this will come later on this year and not on the first public version.

Best regards,
Vassilios Lourdas
System & Tool Engineer
KNX Association

Ergänzung zu meinen oben verlinkten Folien: KNX hat offensichtlich die Planung geändert, was Import/Export angeht. In der ursprünglichen Version wirkte es so, als ob man damit das Ein-Projekt-Limit umgehen kann, vielleicht ist das der Grund der Änderung. Danke an Joachim79 für den Hinweis!

Webinar im November 2016:

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Webinar-Aufzeichnung Februar 2017:

inside_import_neu.PNG

[d0m]

Hello uwe1 ,

Could you please inform me about the Android version your device runs?

Thank you in advance,

Best regards,
Vassilios Lourdas
System & Tool Engineer
KNX Association

Same Problem here. Also Nexus 5 but with Android 7.1.1.

[uwe1]

Android 6.0.1